November 27, 2025|Accountants, Kim's Blog, Lawyers, Marketing|
Proactive marketing and BD executives – Podcasts and Frameworks (Glinda’s wand?)

Law and accountancy firms from UK, Ireland and Poland were represented at the recent PM Forum workshop: “The Proactive Marketing and Business Development Executive”. Echoing a recent session for MBD assistants (The highs and lows from a new MBD assistants’ point of view), there was a desire for more time to reflect and anticipate. One of the key themes emerging was that of long form content – in particular, podcasts. The other was that MBD can sometimes be seen as Glinda – magical rather than marketing! Proactive marketing and business development executive – Podcasts and Frameworks

Podcasts in professional services marketing

During various discussions and exercises, there was an emphasis on long form content such as podcasts.

Professional services podcasts

Law firm and legal podcasts

Denton’s podcast includes its legal real estate experts (and commercial agency experts from Kirkby Diamond) discussion the evolving landscape of office space Dentons – The Real Deal: A case study podcast

Clifford Chance Podcasts includes categories on: antitrust, ESG, finance, innovation, insurance, litigation, M&A, private equity, real estate and tech

Podcast | White & Case LLP Note that there is an episode where they interview Julie McConnell, Associate Director of Global Industry Groups, and Macarena Ruiz-Jarabo, Associate Director of Business Development for Latin America, about the career journeys that led each of them to White & Case. They discuss the importance of business development in Big Law and outline how they work with partners, associates and clients. Julie and Macarena also share advice for BD professionals and newly-qualified lawyers on integrating business development into their day-to-day work and career development.

Secrets of a Law Firm Podcast – Lamb Brooks LLP A law firm in Basingstoke and North Hampshire provides insights into life at the firm

Accountancy podcasts

Deloitte’s award-winning Green Room podcast campaign (including transport advertising) Being more strategic – Case studies and insights (Ireland May 2023)

Accounting, Audit and Tax Podcasts for Professionals | Mercia Group In one episode of the Mercia podcast, Pete, Head of Marketing at Mercia, sits down with Louise, Mercia’s Management and Skills Trainer, to explore the evolving landscape of leadership and communication within accountancy firms. Together, they unpack the concept of the accidental manager and discuss the importance of soft skills in building resilient, high-performing teams.  Louise shares insights from her work with firms across the UK, offering practical advice for everyone from new starters to senior partners.

How to create a podcast

  1. Create (plan and record)
    1. Plan (choose topic, decide on the format, align with your brand)
    2. Record your episodes (get the right equipment, use a recording platform, record a few episodes)
    3. Edit your content (remove mistakes, use editing tools)
  1. Publish and distribute
    1. Upload to a host (create an account)
    2. Optimise for discovery
    3. Promote (social media, web site, email etc)

Guides to creating and promoting a podcast

There are also some helpful ideas on podcast analytics here Measuring Success: Using Analytics to Grow Your Podcast UK Audience

My podcast efforts

 Please let me know which resources and examples of podcasts in professional services firms you recommend

 The value of marketing and BD frameworks (Glinda’s wand?)

With only a third of delegates having marketing qualifications, there was lively debate about the value of using marketing theory and frameworks.

Pros of marketing theory and frameworks

  • Useful guide to remind us of best practice
  • Tried and tested (evidence based) processes
  • Promotes credibility when working with other professionals
  • Ensures nothing important is missed
  • Promotes confidence in proposals

Cons of marketing theory and frameworks

  • Unnecessary as processes embedded in firm systems
  • Risk of jargon alienating non-marketing professionals
  • Prefer a more practical approach

The most commonly used frameworks were:

Others mentioned included: 7Ps marketing mix, SWOT analysis, AIDA, STP (Segmentation, Targeting, Positioning), Client journey mapping (Mapping the client journey in professional services – Kim Tasso) and Porter’s Five Forces (Pitching, differentiation and competitor analysis)

Delegates found it helpful to compare and contrast their experiences (efficiency and effectiveness) with different tactical marketing, business development and communications techniques. In particular, they considered the appropriateness for different audiences and tasks. And the time effort (for marketers and fee-earners) compared to other costs.

The most valued marketing and BD skills

US consultants Hinge conducted research with 700 firms globally (with a combined income of $170 billion). In High Growth Study 2023: Executive Summary – Hinge Marketing They identified the following marketing skills in high growth firms (growing three times faster than competitors).

  • Project management (7.4)
  • Simplifying complex concepts (7.3)
  • Face-to-face networking (7.3)
  • Strategy development (7.2)
  • Research (6.9)
  • Social media (6.6)
  • Outreach/Public relations (6.5)
  • Data analytics (6.5)
  • Search Engine Optimisation (SEO) (6.3)

We had done a deeper dive into skills for MBD executives at a session in April 2025 Proactive Marketing and BD Executive: Skills questions – Kim Tasso

Naturally, there was significant discussion about the use of AI in professional services marketing including:

  • Automating research (including competitor analysis)
  • Developing profiles and updates on clients (organisations and individuals)
  • Developing personas
  • Identifying ideas and opportunities
  • Tailoring content to particular audiences and locations
  • Summarising technical content (law, accountancy, surveying etc)
  • Writing blogs and other content
  • Repurposing and editing content
  • Ensuring consistent brand and tone of voice
  • Developing social media campaigns
  • Analysing analytics

Recent resources on AI include:

CIM’s hype-free guide to AI agents for marketers – Kim Tasso September 2025

Campaigns, thought leadership and project management – People (and AI) April 2025

Key Insights from the AI in Marketing training by Optix at PM Forum September 2024

The future shape of a Proactive MBD Executive? May 2024

Generative AI – Going Beyond the Content… February 2024

Everyone was aware of the risks of using AI as the Deloitte case was headline news in November 2025 Deloitte allegedly cited AI-generated research in a million-dollar report for a Canadian provincial government | Fortune

About the delegates

As well as MBD executives, other roles included corporate communications. Some were focused on specific sectors (e.g. real estate). Others had worked in other sectors (e.g. Government, marketing agencies). As well as management and marketing degrees, there were those with degrees in English and Psychology. Some had previously worked in facilities and library/research roles.

Delegate aims

  • Make new connections
  • Gather tips to offer more value to team and fee-earners
  • Find new ways to enhance skills to develop career
  • Gain insight from those in similar roles
  • Obtain ideas on how to be more proactive
  • Connect the dots between strategies and activities
  • Progress my career
  • Build more confidence
  • Understand more about professional services marketing
  • Learn how to position myself
  • Gain skills to be more proactive

Delegate mid-way reflections

Delegates were asked to consider their main observation from the morning session – either on the skills discussed or their reflections on what resonated most with them 

  • Skills
    • Creativity and innovation (doing things differently, challenging the status quo)
    • Communicate – both internally with fee-earners and the team and in external relationships
    • Develop and motivate junior staff
    • Manage expectations – one of the hardest parts of my role
    • Strategy
  • Reflections
    • Looking at the pros and cons of tactics within the group was insightful – it helped me understand which activities are commonly used and felt it was beneficial to dive deeper into different activities
    • Really good as new to the sector to learn from others and hear what is going well and what activities are more challenging
    • I’d like to help promote greater understanding of marketing throughout the firm. There’s been a lot of staff movement in the firm and BD team delivers a lot of BD sessions but I think there’s a gap in knowledge for those new joiners in our overall approach to marketing. And helping people understand the basics before focusing on specific areas of BD as I think a lot of them find it daunting.
    • My focus is managing expectations. I find it difficult to make everyone happy

Delegate takeaways

Most memorable idea or image Key action
AI and Technology Explore options for future career development
Marketing/BD toolkit Seek feedback from stakeholders
Working with fee-earners exercise Develop sales skills and abilities
Collaboration with fee-earners Spend time with more resistant fee-earners
Rock, pebble and stone technique Read some of the recommended books
Deep dive into fee-earner buy in Develop more assertive and proactive mindset
Glinda (creative exercise on how fee-earners might see marketers) Create a crisis management plan for social media accounts
Strategic process for BD Managers (questions) Develop business development skills
Showcase our NPS scores Develop a career plan
Buy in model Implementation of tactics for buy in

Delegate poll results

Delegates appreciate seeing their poll responses so they can compare and benchmark themselves against their peers.  

How confident do you feel in your role?

 Confidence

(10=high)

Start of session End of session
1
2
3
4
5 11%
6 %
7 56% 33%
8 33% 56%
9 % 11%
10

Do you have any marketing qualifications?

  • 33%  Yes
  • 67%  No

Is your role mainly:

  • 33%    Strategic marketing
  • 33%   Tactical marketing/communications
  • 11%     Information management/analyst/administration
  • 0%    Selling/pitching
  • 11%   Relationship management/development 
  • 11%      Something else

Which segmentation approaches are used in your firm (multiple choice)

  • 100% Market/industry sector
  • 78% Geography/region
  • 56%   Amount of revenue generated
  • 56%   Job function
  • 33%     Nature of relationships
  • 22% Size of business
  • 0% Personas 

Do you have marketing/BD plans for (multiple choice)

  • 78%  The firm
  • 78%  The markets/sectors we serve
  • 67%  The products/services we promote
  • 56%  Each territory/region
  • 44%  Major campaigns
  • 44%  Individual fee-earners 

How well does your firm track/monitor the source of leads?

  • 11%      Really well across the firm
  • 44%      Good in some teams
  • 22%       OK
  • 22%       Not very well 

Do you measure client satisfaction?

  • 56% Yes, across the whole firm and all clients regularly
  • 11% Yes, for our largest clients
  • 33% Yes, for some clients or periodically 

Have you seen any crisis management plans at your firm?

  • 44%      Yes
  • 56%      No 

Which types of external consultant does your firm use (multiple choice)

  • 78%      PR, public relations and copywriting
  • 56%      Web design/development
  • 44%      Brand, design and creative
  • 33%      Research and client listening
  • 33%       SEO, PPC and advertising
  • 22%      Data management/analytics
  • 22%      Events support
  • 11%      Mailings

Do you have people reporting directly to you?

  • 11%       Yes
  • 22%        I used to
  • 67%      No
  • 0%       I will soon 

How often do you experience difficulties in your relationships with fee-earners?

  • 0%      Never
  • 78%      Occasionally
  • 22%      Often 

Have you had formal training in selling?

  • 11%       Yes
  • 56%      No – self-taught/experience
  • 33%      No – unfamiliar with sales/selling concepts 

Where is most of your time spent?

  • 44%      Marketing and business development planning
  • 22%      Awareness raising
  • 11%      Lead generation
  • 11%      Developing existing relationships
  • 11%      Winning new business

Which topics are your three highest priorities for learning?

  • 44%      Interpersonal skills (communication, persuasion etc)
  • 44%      Selling, pitching and client relationships
  • 44%      Strategic marketing and business development
  • 44%      Engagement and collaboration with fee-earners
  • 44%      Managing and developing people
  • 33%      Campaign/thought leadership development
  • 22%      Strategy and change management
  • 22%      Technology/innovation/automation/AI
  • 22%      Digital marketing
  • 0%      Commerciality (pricing, NPD)

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